Dvader said:

No Endless Ocean as predicted.

Aw man! No Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing?

1up review.  Now, besides the fact that the reviewer is talking to Dvader, who said he will skip 3 because it is missing out some content -- and that is okay -- HOW THE HELL DOES THE FOLLOWING PARAGRAPH MAKE ITS WAY INTO A PROFESSIONAL REVIEW?

"All right, let's get this over with: yes, Yakuza 3 is missing some elements that its Japanese version has; removals that range from understandable (the shogi mini-game), to not-so-understandable (mahjong), to out-and-out tragic (a Princess Maker-esque sub-game in which you manage Hostess Club girls). And yes, the game is indubitably the lesser for their omission. But so what? Unless you speak Japanese, the other version might as well not exist for you. And if you're all butt-hurt about not having the same stuff as the kids across the Pacific, I hear you, but please believe me when I say that if you allow that butt-hurtedness to prevent you from buying and playing this game, you fail at life and will never have sex. Yeah, I said it. Because it's true. Don't say I didn't warn you."

EDIT: I just read the comments below on the review, seems like I'm not alone.  My problem with it by the way is that these kind of statements are for forums, not reviews, particularly from someone who is being paid.

Dvader said:

Who is giving you a minus 1.

The GC was not on par, right, it missed out on some games mainly cause it was clearly 3rd place in the US and the demographics of Nintendo consoles always came into play. Still the vast majority of 3rd party games came onto the GC.

Look at the recent releases: Bioshock 2, Bayonetta, Darksiders, FFXIII, Battlefield 2, Aliens vs Predator, Dante's  Inferno just to name a few of the third party games to hit. All of them on PS3/360 not one on Wii. If the Wii were on par with the PS3/360 do you honestly believe that not one of those games would also be out on the Wii. They would be, Battlefield 2 would be on the Wii, GG would have his awesome FPSs that the Wii is missing.

So you are claiming that because of what happened 4 years ago, the thought that the Wii would fail and all that is still the reason the Wii is not getting third party support now. What happened then happened then and your explanation makes sense, what is happening now is different. Most companies still don't bother to make major third party games, they don't want to put their best teams at work on a Wii game cause there is more money to be had on the HD systems and that system allows them to make the games they want.  I don't think anything would ever change cause of the hardware limitation of the Wii. I think that even if all the 3rd party devs knew exactly where the Wii would be today back in 06, that they still would be focusing on the HD systems, there would probably be better support but the Wii would not be getting the major releases.

The second those specs were revealed it was obvious this was going to happen. Nintendo created a split, there are the HD consoles and there is us, you need to choose one. You can do really watered down ports that would require to create an engine from scratch and many modications for it to work on the Wii but who wants to do that. And as you stated most people don't want lesser ports. So the major companies give Wii their scraps, their B-teams, here is some cheap hardware, make a cheap game. All the shovelware is the third parties fault. There is a giant market to be had and people will buy good games. But do you believe that if Square put all their resources into FFXIII on the Wii that it would sell as much as FFXIII on 360/PS3,  I don't think so.  A series that is known for being cutting edge, it wouldn't work. So Square gives Wii Crystal Bearers, a lackluster effort. It's a combination of the main teams making their games for the HD consoles and the publishers putting out the worst possible effort on the Wii that has created this. But all that would be different if the Wii was on the level as the other two. FFXIII would simply be in development for all three consoles, it would have been easy to pull off, it would have happened.

Have you noticed that nearly all the best Wii third party games are odd strange titles, lots of them puzzle games and stuff. The companies that say, hey lets make a unique game centered totally on the wiimote is usually the one that makes a noticable title. The company that says lets just try to make lesser version of what the HD consoles have usually turn out poor. The Wii is different so I want different games from the Wii, I don't want ports, I believe CoD is a waste of time but it's CoD so it sells well so that made sense. I want new original games that don't suck, sadly with developers all putting their best teams on big HD games the Wii rarely gets the awesome original game.

There is lots of blame to go around as to why the quality of the third party games on Wii is not so good. I believe that is a different argument than why isn't the Wii getting the major franchises, the major FPSs, the major third party release. That is a simple obvious answer, cause it's not on the level as PS3/360. Obviously to be at that level changes the price of the system, probably changes the userbase completely, it alters all of history. But hey you would be playing Battlefield 2 with a wiimote (its EA they port EVERYTHING). Argue all you want that the Wii wouldn't get those third party games, it might miss out on few, maybe really violent ones, but not many. One other aspect you are missing is that most game companies want to work with the best tech, want to be cutting edge, want to make the best game possible. It's not all about the money.

No, I'm not claiming it's only because of what happened 4 years ago, maybe you should read the whole post.

Again, changing the Wii's specs could have affected the Wii's success so you can't claim it would have guaranteed 3rd party support if it was more powerful. The GC tried that, and it didn't work, the Wii's success wouldn't be guaranteed had it gone after the same market. We also have evidence that at least some games can be ported with minimal effort and can result in sales that more than justify the cost and yet they still aren't. Your speculation still cannot justify (without fanboyism) why exactly COD4 wasn't originally on Wii despite the sales of the previous games, which as explained were on par or better than the PS3's and not a "sad fraction" as you falsely stated. That fraction only came after killing their chances by skipping 4, and back then the likes of you were claiming it couldn't be ported, which was easily shot down with Treyarch's sloppy understaffed efforts.

And yes, I've noticed what the Wii's quality 3rd party titles are, I don't see what that has to do with anything. It only means they haven't tried to make any serious effort in other genres (hell, that's been our topic of discussion, lol, I don't see why you bring it up as something new), even though Nintendo and some other exceptions prove other types of games can be succesful as well. There are also whole genres completely ignored, not just because HD systems do them, as nobody does them at all. Where are the great 3D platformers that would get those who enjoyed Mario Galaxy to play them? There was De Blob, which was succesful, then nothing, not even a sequel in sight until recently, which might be too late. But that's another topic.

The "simple obvious answer" you keep going back to is merely far fetched speculating that the Wii would have been just as succesful had it been more powerful. You simply can't know that, it's not a fact no matter how many times you repeat it and ignore evidence to the contrary. You aren't convincing anyone acting like that.

The Wii isn't getting FFXIII but it's getting DQX. That is the approach developers should take. A different game, with its lower dev costs, on Wii, a different game on PS360. CAPCOM did it with Monster Hunter Tri for Wii, and Lost Planet 2 on PS360. They couldn't even afford another game of such high production values (among the many they already have, I don't imply they only do one at a time, obviously) hence the move from PS3 to Wii for the former. Ubi's doing similar by providing two new PoP games, one for PS360, one for Wii, which isn't a port. So, yes, there is a way for Wii to get the big franchises, even those that can't be ported (which are fewer than those who can be). Hell, some realised that early on but instead of making a decent effort they wanted to fool the audience (RE: DSC comes to mind, what exactly stopped CAPCOM from making quality follow ups to RE4 - not 5, which they recently said may be possible to port actually - and helping that market grow instead of do rail shooters that perform worse with every iteration? was it the dev costs being higher than a port? bs, as higher as they may have been, sales coupled with nurturing and growing a potential userbase they currently don't profit from would more than make up for it - plenty HD games sell less than optimally but still keep being made, a Wii game wouldn't cost nearly as much - and yet EA made DS: E instead of a proper game). The reason it's not getting games is, my previous comment which didn't only talk about 4 years ago. Some change, but too little too late in the generation. Their loss.

Dvader said:

Iga_Bobovic said:

Dvader said:

The Wii is different so I want different games from the Wii,  

So you buy Darkside Chronicles instead of LKS?

Hey Vader, you want better 3rd party Wii games? How about buying some good games?! Endless Ocean 2, LKS or perhaps Silent Hill: Shattered Memories?!

Action speak louder than words, and your buying habits put you in the "mainstream whore" category.

Well I never said those games would be better than the major third party stuff, they are not. I will get those games when I have disposable income or I will rent them. As for DSC, yeah thats on my RE obsession, we all have our own.  I don't want just good games, I want EXCELLENT games (in genres I like). So that is why I buy Mario Galaxy, Metroid and Nintendo stuff.

 How would you know? did you play those games?

Here's one for you.

LKS >> FFXIII & CoD

Oh I love how you keep changing the argument. First you say I want different games on the Wii then suddenly you want games in genres you like (so not so different games) that are excellent. You are not making any sense. 

Oh and not everyone has an obsession. You have enough to make up for the rest of us (Sonic, RE, FF and Zelda)