There's a discussion on GameSpot concerning whether the ESRB should put a new notification on game boxes--for "spiritual content". The contents of my last post, following those of the OP and another guy, are as follows:

From muthsera666:
No. Anyone who passes on a game because it features a religion
different from his or her own has serious issues. Should we not read
books from other cultures because they don't believe what we believe?
Why is the Japanese religion of Shinto (spirits residing in objects)
any less valid than Christianity in the West (Jewish zombie)? I was
Christian for a while, but the church I attended stifled my cultural
exposure, and I'm glad I quit. Now, I can enjoy looking into other
cultures and ways of interacting with the world without the judgemental
nature of the Church telling me that something is wrong because it is
different.


Response from OP, Euaggelistes:
I do not want to go too far off topic, but to answer your question,
one would be valid and the other not if one were true and the other
were not. For example (this is not an attempt to proselytize rather an
attempt to show how one religious understanding can invalidate another):

Jesus
claims to be God. That claim is either true or false. If it is true
than any religious belief which held that it was false would be
invalid. As God Jesus claims that there are no other Gods. If this is
true than any religious belief which professed the existence of other
gods would be invalid.

The question should not be what one believes but rather what is true.

And then me:
And what is the best way, in the real world, to determine that
something is probably true? By ruling out the alternatives. For this we
use science (and historical methods). Unfortunately, it can't tell us
one iota about one-off events that defy the established behavior of
things. This leaves every religion and every belief system that
includes "miracles" high and dry, with regard to sufficient evidence to
justify belief in the system. Furthermore, knowing what we do about
conscious beings, it makes no sense to think that there could be a mind
without some sort of brain or similar structure. We also know enough to
safely infer that many things in many belief systems are false,
including the Genesis creation stories (there are two) and the story of
the Noachian flood.

The first point above is exactly why there is
no real difference between creating a religion for use in a game and
depicting a real one in a game. As such, if the ESRB had some
descriptor for religious content, for it to be fair, it would need to
be slapped on the box of even games that had religions created
specifically to be included in them (such as in Final Fantasy X), since
people could always adopt that religion in real life... and there would
be no way to tell if the real-world one were any more true than the one
from the game.

I think this is ludicrous. If the ESRB were forced
to do this, where is the justification for them not doing it in every
other case where there are "supernatural" entities in games, such as
the benign Luigi's Mansion? Why wouldn't they also need to do it even
in every case where a metaphysical view were presented in the game? Or
would it only count if the term "god" (note: not "God" or
"Christian/Jewish/Muslim god") were used, and if so, why? This is a
very slippery slope, and it could result in an extra ESRB notification
on so many games that it would just be insane. Why not just tolerate
the fact that the game takes place in a mostly fictitious universe?
Also, exposure to these different "supernatural"-inclusive game
universes is pretty much just like living in the religously pluralistic
world that we live in. If you want notification due to religious
content, do you ask people what their belief system is before talking
to them? Or will you not talk about belief systems with anyone who's
not of your own?

What about religous people who have no problem
with not having this notification? There are probably entire religions
full of people who wouldn't/don't mind. Is it ok for the ESRB to cater
to some over all the rest?

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(What is with the damn font reverting back to italics even when I tell it to stop italicizing?! And then it won't unitalicize some things even when they're highlighted! I was able to unitalicize the first paragraph below, but not the one below it.... Eh, I'll make 'em look uniform.)

I don't want to just discuss ESRB notifications specifically with regard to "spiritual" content in games, but what are your views on what notifications the ESRB should use and under what conditions, in general? Do you think I'm right in my above view or that my view is wrongheaded?

One objection I could see coming is the claim that if the ESRB shouldn't notify due to "spiritual" content, then it also has no basis on which to notify for any other content: language, comic mischief, violence, gore, sex, etc. This would pretty much mean the dissolution of the ESRB.

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